The Hard Problem

[thedeemon]

У Шона Кэрролла в подкасте вышла отличная беседа с David Chalmers о трудной проблеме сознания (про "легкую проблему" тоже говорят): попытках понять что это (и есть ли оно, здесь же квалиа и пресловутые философские зомби), как оно может соотноситься с физикой, в том числе квантовой, о многочисленных подходах к попыткам дать ответы, и немного на смежные темы - ИИ, симуляции и пр. Хорошо показывают, в чем именно проблема состоит. Никаких определенных ответов не дают, но порадовало, насколько широкий спектр идей специалисты рассматривают, насколько глубоко продумывают, и какие интересные вопросы там получаются. Послушать или скачать можно здесь.

Comments

[pbl]

> If we can't systematically solve problems, then how can we hope to build anything artificial that can do that systematically?

What does this have to do with "Can the brain do only things that are computable?"? Humans suck at proving theorems (especially if we consider population as a whole). So do computers. So what?

I've yet to observe anything that would incline me towards dignifying the hypothesis of our brains doing something supra-Turing in nature with serious consideration. Quite the contrary, what little evidence I could obtain and process indicates the opposite. Or we wouldn't be so prone to seeing Virgin Mary on some random piece of toast. And yet we have the gall to ridicule our poor computer slaves and minions when they mistakenly label foo as bar, or censor someone's face as "obscene". Ha ha, those damn stupid robots. They can never imitate what we luminous creatures can do.

> we do not even know for sure whether "thrashing around long enough" explains it

I'm not a mathematician. I'm fine with not knowing things for sure. Ockhamic and bayesian reasons for believing something, are a good enough substitute of surety for me.

Seriously, that's the whole point of my argument. The fact that there are two possibilities does not yet mean they deserve equal consideration.

[pbl]

> WHAT LITTLE EVIDENCE I COULD OBTAIN AND PROCESS INDICATES THE OPPOSITE

Damn, that's /r/totallynotrobots material right there.